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bakbek
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Odd language behavior (Hebrew)

23 Mar 2009, 12:10

Hi, Please take a look at this 2 screen captures of the test gallery site:

this is how Hebrew should look like -
Image

this is how it's not -
Image

the thing is, this is the same website captured on 2 different computers i have. i was working on the site on one of them setting all things to look good in Hebrew - and it did and still look good on one computer. When testing the site on the second computer (and later on others of friends) i noticed all the Hebrew words are in reverse - the order is OK, but instead from right to left, is from left to right. (you can see this more clearly in the menu items that are made of two words)

this is really odd, since the site work perfectly well on one computer!!! i checked and rechecked, cleared cache, delete all browser temp and history files, did this for firefox, explorer 6 and 7 and Google chrome - the result is the same:

computer no 1 show Hebrew OK on all browsers
computer no 2 (and others) DO NOT!!!

I really need some help with solving this since i must be able to run the site in Hebrew and clearly it is possible as i show here

Thanks.
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bakbek
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24 Mar 2009, 16:38

I did some more testing and installed a new instance of imagevuex on a different server... the same result remains!!! what would be the reason it looks good on one computer and in reverse on the next?

this make me believe that some kind of system setup locally make the difference - what could it be? surly this is not good since how can a make sure all surfers have the right setting to show Hebrew the right way?

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I checked flash player versions on both systems - it is the same
WIN 10,0,22,87

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Might this be related to the fact Hebrew fonts aren't embedded in the gallery source? I've seen some reference about Hebrew acting this way if not embedded into the FLA / SWF or something like that. - In this case can one system not need this embedding and show the words correctly? this might be the reason for what happens with my gallery...

:cry:
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mjau-mjau
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27 Mar 2009, 07:16

It's a bit hard for me to understand what's going on here, but of course I see the difference between the two images. The difference is that it is stacking the order of words differently from the two examples? To diagnose, it would help a lot to be able to access links to those two different galleries ... It may be server issue with one of them ... For example, you may be running one of them from localhost, and the other from a professional service.

I believe Hebrew has similarities with Arabic in the way words go from right to left?
 
bakbek
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27 Mar 2009, 07:57

mjau-mjau wrote:It's a bit hard for me to understand what's going on here, but of course I see the difference between the two images. The difference is that it is stacking the order of words differently from the two examples? To diagnose, it would help a lot to be able to access links to those two different galleries ... It may be server issue with one of them ... For example, you may be running one of them from localhost, and the other from a professional service.

I believe Hebrew has similarities with Arabic in the way words go from right to left?
Hebrew and Arabic are similar that way, yes. but thing is - It is the same gallery! on the same server!

on one computer it looks ok and on my other one looks wrong (also on other computer of friends that tested it for me) that is the odd thing - why would the same gallery behave like that?

I hope you can find the problem and the solution, because clearly, the gallery can work ok in hebrew as i see. could this be a font embedding issue?

Tell me what you need and i'll provide it to you, so that you can check this out.

thanks
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bico
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27 Mar 2009, 09:29

different operating systems ?


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Nick
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28 Mar 2009, 15:27

Could you please provide a link to your gallery?
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Nick
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28 Mar 2009, 17:24

This what it looks like here both win and mac:
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Maybe you have some old flash player version? Good idea would be to download flash player uninstaller from Adobe.com and run it first to get rid of old flash player completely.
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bakbek
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28 Mar 2009, 19:07

Thanks Pain - it looks good on your system. but the Hebrew font is different too.

i'll uninstall and reinstall, but that is only me and my computer - what about all the potential visitors of my future site?

Could it be that for some fonts it works OK and others not? is this something due to embedding, i think about this since font is the only thing that changes between the goo and bad representation of the gallery.

Thanks again.
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mjau-mjau
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30 Mar 2009, 06:55

Must be something to do with the Flash player then ... I know for fact they did some changes in later releases to the capabilities of displaying RTL text.
 
bakbek
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30 Mar 2009, 07:10

mjau-mjau wrote:Must be something to do with the Flash player then ... I know for fact they did some changes in later releases to the capabilities of displaying RTL text.
Make me wonder when, who and why started this RTL LTR thing? we pay the incompatibly price to this day!

Any chance you can find a solution for this in the near future or should i consider this gallery as LTR compatible only.

(by the way, i used the service at http://browsershots.org/ to see how this will look on many browsers on different systems... the MAC versions did good, the others not only didn't work like i showed here, but also reversed each font - not just words. so it seems supporting RTL is a challenge)

Cheers.
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mjau-mjau
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30 Mar 2009, 09:20

It would help me a lot if you could post link to your gallery.

If you search "flash rtl text" in google, you will see there are hundreds of posts about the same/similar issue. As far as I can see Flash 8 certainly doesn't support RTL text, and I would like to see why/how flash is twisting RTL text from XML.