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alexhenes
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Edit Mode: Image Title and Description

23 May 2015, 12:35

I love that title and description are in the panel now... however the title/description that are currently embedded in the IPTC data of the images is not populated in panel. A few questions...

1. Will existing IPTC data be visible in the panel?
2. What happens if we populate title/description in the panel when this data already exists on the image?
3. What specific IPTC fields is the panel updating?

Thanks
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Re: Edit Mode: Image Title and Description

23 May 2015, 13:12

Good questions. The title+description method available from the pane is just a relatively quick, but effective way to add titles and descriptions that are stored in the folders page.yml file.
alexhenes wrote:1. Will existing IPTC data be visible in the panel?
At this point no. It would be a bit pointless to just display it if you can't edit it no? It is a bit extensive task to add a web-based exif/iptc editor for images, so for now this is not possible.

Basically the new panel-option allows you to add titles and descriptions to X3 without hassle. If you prefer to use titles/descriptions from IPTC/EXIF, then as you know, the X3 frontend supports that, but then you must currently use your own workflow/application for managing the images IPTC data.
alexhenes wrote:2. What happens if we populate title/description in the panel when this data already exists on the image?
I believe the title/description added from the panel and stored in the folders page.yml file would outrank any existing IPTC data.
alexhenes wrote:3. What specific IPTC fields is the panel updating?
It's not updating IPTC fields! It is using x3-native generic title + description, stored in the page.yml file ... Although X3 supports IPTC items, one of the reasons its difficult to work with, is because there are virtually 1000's of items stored across various formats IPTC, EXIF and XMP ... Also, the same settings often have different names, depending on the device, camera or application that created them ... its a bit insane.

We will be looking further into this in the future, as the ultimate solution would be to store a files info in the file, so it travels wherever the file goes. For now, this is a simple, but effective solution for setting titles and descriptions.
 
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Re: Edit Mode: Image Title and Description

23 May 2015, 20:29

cool... thanks for the clarification. I know this was a panel only release... any idea when title and description will be visible in the picture viewer?
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Re: Edit Mode: Image Title and Description

24 May 2015, 00:43

alexhenes wrote:cool... thanks for the clarification. I know this was a panel only release... any idea when title and description will be visible in the picture viewer?
It already is ... You do have to assign them to display though. For example, the following will display title and description above each gallery image:
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gallery: items:title,description,preview
There is an example in your "examples" folder already:
https://demo.photo.gallery/examples/variations/items/
 
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Re: Edit Mode: Image Title and Description

24 May 2015, 18:45

hmmmm.... let me be sure we are talking about the same thing.

If the user is at http://www.merelyafleshwound and hovers over 'mountaineering' then selects 'Capitol Peak' under 'Elk Range' the images in the 'Capitol Peak' folder are displayed. Each image displays the IPTC description in the lower left. However... when the user clicks on the image and the picture views is brought up... the IPTC image is not anywhere to be found. I am not sure what setting to edit to get the IPTC description displayed here.

Currently it appears that the image title shows up in this space by default.... not sure how to change this
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Re: Edit Mode: Image Title and Description

25 May 2015, 00:19

Just to be clear, my replies are all about storing TITLE+DESCRIPTION for images (and files). How, where and why-not they are displayed in some locations of your website is a different story. But I can answer your question:
alexhenes wrote:If the user is at http://www.merelyafleshwound and hovers over 'mountaineering' then selects 'Capitol Peak' under 'Elk Range' the images in the 'Capitol Peak' folder are displayed. Each image displays the IPTC description in the lower left. However... when the user clicks on the image and the picture views is brought up... the IPTC image is not anywhere to be found. I am not sure what setting to edit to get the IPTC description displayed here.
You have definitely assigned "captions" for that page right? ... and in this definition, you have set it to show DESCRIPTIONS, although TITLES is also an option. The current popup window by default only displays TITLES ... To be honest, this is another reason why IPTC/EXIF is confusing ... I could have asked you, why have you assigned your captions to "description" instead of to the "caption"?

In terms of translating IPTX/EXIF to imagevues TITLE and DESCRIPTION in a logical sense, caption-->title and description-->description. Title should be short, not more than a sentence, and basically a replacement for the file name in some sense. The description should/could technically be a longer text, even a few sentences.

But as mentioned, in next version (frontend-emphasis) you will be able to show both TITLE and DESCRIPTION also for the popup window.
 
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Re: Edit Mode: Image Title and Description

25 May 2015, 11:14

Thanks Karl... this makes sense.

When converting from X2 I was under the impression that all image title & description management was moving to IPTC. So I embedded all of my X2 titles/descriptions into the images.

Here is the thread where you described what fields to use.
https://forum.photo.gallery/viewtopic.p ... 61&start=0

So when I saw that the new admin had title and description I was surprised that it wasn't reading from IPTC... no worries.

It will be nice when the image page can display both fields.

It sounds like it will have a pecking order of yml then IPTC. Is this correct?

With respect to the caption... it is currently the only way I know to display the image description for the image. Is there a better option?
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Re: Edit Mode: Image Title and Description

25 May 2015, 11:46

alexhenes wrote:When converting from X2 I was under the impression that all image title & description management was moving to IPTC. So I embedded all of my X2 titles/descriptions into the images.
Yes, and you can still do that ...
alexhenes wrote:Here is the thread where you described what fields to use.
https://forum.photo.gallery/viewtopic.p ... 61&start=0
Exactly, and this is how the new panel now populates titles and descriptions into the page.yml file. If you instead want to use titles and descriptions stored as meta data inside your images, then you can do that instead. However, as mentioned earlier in this thread, if you want to use titles and descriptions from image meta data, you need to do so from your own application and workflow.
alexhenes wrote:So when I saw that the new admin had title and description I was surprised that it wasn't reading from IPTC... no worries.
We can read the info, but it is more complicated to "write" the info into the image. We would like to pursue this one day, as it is a more "encapsulated" and flexible approach. For now though, titles and descriptions are stored in the page.yml file and are not written to each and every image, but that does not mean you can't use the image iptc ... I understand why this is not ideal.
alexhenes wrote:It sounds like it will have a pecking order of yml then IPTC. Is this correct?
I don't have the code in front of me, so to be honest I'm not sure what ranks first ... will have to check again, but I think it is yml.
alexhenes wrote:With respect to the caption... it is currently the only way I know to display the image description for the image. Is there a better option?
No, you can also use tooltip, or simply display it as title or description above or below the preview. For example:
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gallery: items:description,preview
 
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Re: Edit Mode: Image Title and Description

25 May 2015, 12:34

Thanks Karl... I will play with this.

Is there a way to display the description below the image using the items method?

Also... you may want to update the X3 documentation... it currently reads...
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"Titles and Descriptions

Currently, X3 only supports title and captions that are stored directly in the image IPTC meta data. This would normally be achieved with desktop applications like iPhoto, Lightroom or many other applications.
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Re: Edit Mode: Image Title and Description

25 May 2015, 13:07

alexhenes wrote:Is there a way to display the description below the image using the items method?
Tada!
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gallery: items:preview,description
alexhenes wrote:Also... you may want to update the X3 documentation... it currently reads...
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"Titles and Descriptions
Yes, wish I could do all these things at once ...
 
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Re: Edit Mode: Image Title and Description

25 May 2015, 13:52

thanks... works great... I see the pattern now
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